On Friday, once I made my decision to attend a retirement seminar, I calculated a couple of different estimates of what my retirement pay would be, depending on when I retire (right now, end of summer, etc.) I admit I have done this on previous occasions, too, just to get an idea, even when retirement was several years in the future. Although I don't know what my deductions will be and, therefore, my net pay, yet (I have always based my budgets on net income, after deductions), I want to get an idea of what I will receive and how well will I be able to manage on a retirement income. Financial experts often recommend trying to live on your retirement pay for a few months (preferably 6 months to a year) prior to retirement, to get an idea of how things will be.
I enjoy budgeting (I think I'm a closet accountant!). For me, a budget is a spending plan. It enables me to see where my money goes, how much I need to live on, what my expenses are, which are the non-discretionary expenses that are more or less the same amount every month (mortgage/rent, insurance, certain utilities, etc.), which are the discretionary expenses (groceries, eating out, entertainment, clothing, etc.), which of those remain constant once agreed to (cable/internet/telephone payments, for example), and which can be tweaked or, even, eliminated depending on the funds available and spending priorities.
I like to know a lot of details, so I have my budget organized by categories (such as House, Car, Utilities) with sub-categories under some (for example, under House, I have property taxes, homeowner's insurance, home maintenance, garden care; under Car, I have auto insurance, maintenance, fuel). I have some other expenses that are more stand-alone categories (Groceries, Pet Care, Gifts, etc.) That level of detail might be too much for some, but I always want to know how much I spend and on what. Otherwise, if I need to adjust the spending, how will I know where to make the adjustments?
We often tend to get defensive about our spending habits, I think, especially if we feel that someone is questioning our spending priorities. But we shouldn't have to become so defensive. We are all individuals and our spending priorities differ. I learned that several years ago, when I went shopping with one of my cousins (she was shopping for a dress to wear to a wedding and she asked me to come along to help her choose). She found a lovely dress for $120. I remember being shocked and telling my mother that I couldn't imagine paying that much for a dress, and my mother pointed out to me that I would spend $120 on books, without any qualms at all! And she was right, of course (aren't mothers usually right?)! But, ever since then, I've always tried to keep that in mind - our spending priorities are as different as we are! So, I might allocate $10 in my monthly budget for clothing and $50 per month for hobbies (books, craft supplies, yarn, fabric, etc.). Someone else might allocate $100 for clothes and $0 for hobbies, especially if their hobby is clothes shopping and they don't do any crafting, knitting, sewing, etc.
Based on my preliminary calculations (which are very preliminary, at this point), it looks like my gross retirement pay (prior to any deductions) will be approximately 74% of my current gross pay. If I assume 35% of that retirement pay will be taken out as deductions (taxes, insurance, etc.), it gives me a more realistic idea of what my net retirement pay might be. Actual percentage of deductions might differ, of course, but 35% is what is being deducted from my current salary for taxes, retirement contributions, insurance, etc. I might have less taxes and no retirement contributions, once I retire, but there might be added insurance costs, depending on what benefits I qualify for. I'd rather be more conservative and err on the side of caution. So, I am not taking my personal retirement savings into consideration at this time. Just what I will receive from my employer. I want to see if I can manage on just that.
I am also not taking into consideration what savings there might be due to retirement - less fuel for the car due to less driving, less parking costs, etc. I actually don't have a lot of work-related expenses apart from commuting. No professional wardrobe costs because I no longer wear tailored suits to work, no dry cleaning costs (because I don't get any of my clothes dry cleaned), no daily coffee/purchased lunches, etc. And whatever savings in those areas will probably be offset by increased electricity and heating costs because I'll be home more and that means using the computer, the fans, the heater, the television, the sewing machine, etc.. more! LOL!
So, assuming my expenses will be the same as they are currently, will I be able to manage on what I might receive in retirement? According to my calculations, which are based on a number of assumptions as described above, the answer is "Yes". Definitely yes. Because, one of my goals when I first started budgeting, was to live on 50% of my net pay. But, there was a mortgage to pay, child care costs for my daughter, piano lessons and dance classes, etc. So, that goal was modified to living on 70% of my net income and, for the longest time, I managed to do that. The only time when I couldn't manage to do so was when I was putting my daughter through university. Once she graduated and became financially independent (except for the plane tickets for visits home, the cell phone which I pay, and the occasional gifts of coffee bought on sale, that is), I was finally able to meet my goal of living on 50% of my net pay.
Yes, my current budget is based on less than 50% of my net pay. In fact, I have been living on less than my estimated retirement pay, for the past couple of years and doing quite well, if I say so myself. I guess one can say that I have been working solely for the health insurance benefits I currently receive. I definitely needed that during my recent cancer treatment! And that is the only thing that is keeping me from handing in my retirement application - I won't be ready to retire until I know what my benefits will be. But, from a financial point of view, I am ready. Yes, cost of living will go up, there maybe additional expenses depending on our health and as we age. Things happen and there's only so much pre-planning one can do. But, I think I will be able to meet those challenges.
If you are planning for retirement, have you tried living on what you estimate will be your retirement income, for any period of time? If you are already retired, did you try to live on your estimated retirement income before retiring? Was it helpful for you?
Neither my husband nor myself were prepared for retirement. The little I know about budgets I have learned from others since I started blogging. When my husband was forced into retirement because of his health, was when I took over the financial reins out of necessity. It was a steep learning curve. I am still learning. I took early retirement on the advice of my employer's financial advisor. If I retired by the end of the year, I would be guaranteed a pension that would never go down. The monthly pension took several years (after my retirement) to recover to its present level. Good news for me. Also, I was being offered a buy-out. More than half of it was plowed back into my pension to raise my monthly allowance, and the rest I placed into a retirement investment at my bank that paid out an allowance every month until my government Old Age Pension kicked in. My other saving grace was our free medical care and both my husband and I could continue our optional health plans through our past employers, so that drugs, rehabilitation, out-of-country insurance, glasses and dental would still be covered. You are far better placed for retirement than I ever was. When my husband died last year, I took another financial hit. But by eliminating in some areas, I have weathered the storm. By giving up the house and renting an apartment instead, I will do much better for myself. I have never regretted retiring when I did.
ReplyDeleteSounds like you made the right decision for you when it came to retiring, early, Susan. Yes, it is a learning curve, but you are doing well.
DeleteIt is hard to think of retirement when one is young and just starting out - I didn't think about it until much later, myself. Never thought to putting more into the account than was being deducted from my paycheck, etc. But I was always a saver, so it worked out well for me. Now, I am advising my daughter to maximize her pension contributions, etc., while she can.
If you think the information delivered at the Retirement Seminar will be difficult to remember you can video his presentation on your phone. I expect there will be a massive handout as there is so much communication required between Government programs and agencies. AARP publications give the best, up-to-date information because elected officials are terrified of their influence. [seniors vote].
ReplyDeleteExcept for the Medical 'wild card' I assure you, finances will be the last of your problems. You'll never be able to spend it all. Frugal habits once ingrained are difficult to change.
I've 'retired' a couple of times since my 1st [of 5 ] bouts of cancer. Ist as Executive Assistant to our Member of Parliament [status like your Senators]; contract makes it clear that the position cannot be held 'open.' Too much chaos Had an opportunity to do an online ESL program that was surprisingly successful. Loved working in SE Asia. This last open heart surgery took the oomph
As a retiree you can take your daughter anywhere of interest for whatever time she has available. Can I tell you, I totally disagree with contributing as much as possible to an employer's retirement program. So many retirement programs have disappeared into the organization's maw. 2nd, They take no responsibility, list a bunch of choices, charge a huge MER when she can do better for less cost with Vanguard. She needs to contribute enough to capture all employer's contribution whatever allowable is left, goes to her account at Vanguard or similar low cost, high rated. She also needs a ROTH as withdraws after 59 are tax free Likewise, should a terrible emergency strike, the original contribution sums [not profit] can be withdrawn without penalty.
Hon, actually, some of the seminar information is available on-line. I am not sure if I can video a 4-hr. seminar on my phone, but thank you for suggesting it.
DeleteThanks for sharing your views on retirement contributions. I haven't looked into it in great detail. A ROTH IRA is a good suggestion. Lots to think about.
How is your recovery coming along? I hope you are feeling better. Take good care of yourself, Hon.
Hello Bless, it is Sharon from My place I just saw your Comment from February wishing me well, Thank you for that. The last half of last year and the beginning of this year have been difficult for me, as you know my Mum pasted last July and at Christmas mt sister - in -law passed. Things are settling into a new, new and I am now able to take up my life again. I have lurked about your blog from time to time but didn't feel able to comment. Your post on retirement resounded with me as I retired just over a year now and it as so different from what I imagined.
ReplyDeleteFirst, I did live on 60% of my retirement income for 4 years and just managed so now I feel positively wealthy. I notice that compared a lot to my fellow superannuation peops I am managing a lot better with the continual price rises and so on. AS you or someone else says frugality becomes a habit. I think your daughter should add to her retirement funds as much as possible as we dont know that governments are going to be able afford paying pensions. I had a work fund and it was so nice to be able to get it as a lump sum on retirement it gives you an nice boost to be able to help family and friends in need. Because the other thing you have to be aware of is that you cant take it with you when you go,so it is a matter of balance.
The other surprise was that cost at being at home were not as high as I imagined .My electricity bill has actually gone down! and we had a harsh winter last year. Internet stayed the same as I never use even a quarter of my data allowance. Rates have had a big hike here, and food has gone up a lot as the weather ruined crops.
I dont regret a bit of my retirement, I woudnt have been able yo help my family so much over the last months and now a year further down the track I feel that I can have me time ad do all the things I never had the time or energy for. To celebrate this I am or have started a new blog devoted to retirement goals etc. Its Smiling at the Moon - http://smilngatthemoon.blogspot.co.nz/ I havent got into the swing of it yet but April is a new tax year and a new start.
Sharon, so lovely to hear from you again. I am sorry to hear that there has been another death in the family. (((HUGS))) I've checked your blog, on and off, but didn't leave anymore comments, as I didn't want to intrude.
DeleteThank you for sharing your retirement experience. I am in the "seriously considering this and gathering as much information as I can" stage, before I submit my notice. But, there is only so much one can do, before hand. Ultimately, it is a bit of a leap of faith, isn't it? All I know is, I think I am ready - I want to be able to enjoy the leisure that will hopefully come with retirement.
I will check out your new blog, in a bit. Hope things continue to be well with you. Take care.
Hello Bless, it's me Debra from the future lol
ReplyDeleteYou were right, I did find this post very interesting.
Your determination to live on much less than you brought home served you well when seeing if you could retire.
I'm so glad things worked out for you.
Hello Time Traveling Debra! LOL!
DeleteI'm glad you found the post interesting. As you can see, I put a lot of thought into the financial aspects of it! It was very helpful to see that I could definitely afford to retire and that it wouldn't require any drastic life style adjustments. It has worked out well, these past almost 6 years. I hope it continues to do so in the future, too. :)